smugDrew
May 3, 07:54 AM
*cough* TFT Panels?!! Didn't iMac's always have an IPS Panel?
dethmaShine
Apr 12, 10:27 AM
The 2 things that convinced me:
1) The use of 'and...and...and' a lot. Stammering: A hallmark of sarcasm.
2) He then responded to one of my comments with a very thoughtful post (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=12377088&postcount=26). Hardly the type of thing and actual Android-Troll would write.
I was pretty sure based on #1 (do people really not know the stammering thing? I guess not!), but #2 was enough to make me certain.
:D
Cheers.
1) The use of 'and...and...and' a lot. Stammering: A hallmark of sarcasm.
2) He then responded to one of my comments with a very thoughtful post (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=12377088&postcount=26). Hardly the type of thing and actual Android-Troll would write.
I was pretty sure based on #1 (do people really not know the stammering thing? I guess not!), but #2 was enough to make me certain.
:D
Cheers.
Kurgan
May 3, 07:59 AM
To bad there was no mini. I have been warming up my shop finger all morning...
shecky
Oct 24, 08:57 AM
is the HDD removable?
The userguide online is still the CD MBP
i am waiting on this and the "Technology Overview" to be posted before buying. just want to make sure there are no surprises :)
The userguide online is still the CD MBP
i am waiting on this and the "Technology Overview" to be posted before buying. just want to make sure there are no surprises :)
Bluefusion
Mar 31, 12:37 PM
Disastrous. This goes far beyond just having a "weird set of controls" or a slightly different custom UI. This is just UGLY, unreasonable, and totally contrary to all sense of good taste. It worked--barely-- on the iPad because the iPad is meant to evoke "real-world" objects. But this is probably the ugliest app to ever come out of Cupertino, and everyone involved should be ASHAMED.
It's as though they went out of their way to make it that top bar as illegible and ugly as possible. And I'm sure you won't be able to get rid of it, either...
It's as though they went out of their way to make it that top bar as illegible and ugly as possible. And I'm sure you won't be able to get rid of it, either...
cvaldes
Apr 21, 11:08 PM
This happens all the time, and usually results in the plaintiff paying less for the stuff they're buying from that vendor.
The likely outcome is that Apple will not pay a dime in fines. There's a small chance that they would be fined a nominal amount, a slap on the wrist.
Then Apple has the leverage to walk away from Samsung as a supplier, but Samsung needs Apple's business so they will underbid competitors resulting in a net gain for Apple.
Samsung's smartest course of action probably would have been to work with whatever terms Apple had been offering before legal action ensued.
My guess is that this is more of the supply chain/operations genius of Tim Cook. When the smoke clears, we will probably see a fresh-looking Apple shake the hand of a bruised and bloodied Samsung, then turn around and walk away with large sacks of money saying, "we will talk again later."
The likely outcome is that Apple will not pay a dime in fines. There's a small chance that they would be fined a nominal amount, a slap on the wrist.
Then Apple has the leverage to walk away from Samsung as a supplier, but Samsung needs Apple's business so they will underbid competitors resulting in a net gain for Apple.
Samsung's smartest course of action probably would have been to work with whatever terms Apple had been offering before legal action ensued.
My guess is that this is more of the supply chain/operations genius of Tim Cook. When the smoke clears, we will probably see a fresh-looking Apple shake the hand of a bruised and bloodied Samsung, then turn around and walk away with large sacks of money saying, "we will talk again later."
Rigby
Apr 15, 10:10 AM
Apple has posted a note detailing the security fixes in 4.3.2:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4606
They include blacklisting of the fake Comodo SSL certificates (http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/03/comodo-compromise/) as well as fixes for holes in Webkit that malicious web sites can potentially use to execute code on the device.
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4606
They include blacklisting of the fake Comodo SSL certificates (http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/03/comodo-compromise/) as well as fixes for holes in Webkit that malicious web sites can potentially use to execute code on the device.
Doctor Q
Mar 4, 03:29 PM
I made the mistake of turning on the TV news thinking I'd learn something about turmoil in the middle east. No, the news covered Charlie Sheen, Charlie Sheen, and more Charlie Sheen. My mistake.
joeshell383
Dec 20, 01:58 AM
V.I.S.T.A (Virus Infections Spyware Trojans Adware)
I like that one :D
I like that one :D
bigmc6000
Jul 28, 07:40 AM
Don't discount microsoft - they have money to lose for years in trying to get #1 for MP3 - slowly they creep up and overturn Apple - apple doesn't ahve the same stamina.
A long term commitment, not a short term thing.
$9,500,000,000 - that's just sitting around in cash with no long term debt. I think Apple's got plenty of "stamina"...
A long term commitment, not a short term thing.
$9,500,000,000 - that's just sitting around in cash with no long term debt. I think Apple's got plenty of "stamina"...
Chris Bangle
Jul 28, 09:20 AM
It seems that nobody ever likes anything successful.. Look at poor mcdonalds,coca cola,Ford and now apple and its ipod.... All the biggest comapanies always get in trouble. BMW and their idrive, ford and the firestone blowouts, apple and hearing loss... while dont people stop being jealous and peee off.
penter
Jul 25, 09:44 AM
I can see how simple gestures could be recognized as the various clicks that you would normally do, so I don't think this would be an issue.
yeah, i thought about the same thing, but unless it is pulled right i think it will be a grat idea gone bad. i cant wait to see it tough, cuz apple always comes up with some ingenious method of doing things. they're probably going to have something cool and easy to use, because thats one of the main things the iPod is known for.
yeah, i thought about the same thing, but unless it is pulled right i think it will be a grat idea gone bad. i cant wait to see it tough, cuz apple always comes up with some ingenious method of doing things. they're probably going to have something cool and easy to use, because thats one of the main things the iPod is known for.
iEvolution
Apr 22, 01:33 PM
What has apple done that is unethical?
I consider lack of hardware recalls unethical. They always try to hoard as much money as they can.
A few examples are:
1-2007 iPod Touch inverted black issue that was a HARDWARE related problem with the coating on it. Apple just released a firmware update to cover the problem by changing the gamma settings.
2-iPhone antenna issue, cheap 50 cent bumpers to cover the problem because they think everyone should just be a lab rat for them. Then their attitude that it wasn't a issue until the media exploded all over it. Then they act like children and release all those youtube videos of antenna problems with a bunch of other phones like its acceptable.
3-2007 Classic/Nano, when initially released these were the biggest pieces of crap, it was like no one even bothered to turn them on before they released it and it wasn't until 6 months later that the classic was updated enough to work decent. Some issues were:
a) unable to retain ratings if you played any games
b) extremely slow navigation (esp the classic)
c) reboot loops for some
d) coverflow as useless on the classic (though I never used it anyway)
This was actually the 1st iPod I had to take back because it was so nonfunctional, from this point on it seems quality control has taken a backseat.
iTunes 7 was ridiculous when syncing any of the 2007 devices it would randomly freeze for 2-3 seconds when you tried to transfer files and it would take forever to get them to sync because of this. Took apple 2 months to even fix it.
4-The App pack update they charged iPod touch users $20 for then barely a month later they released a update and charged $10 for it and it already included the $20 app... so essentially the early adapters paid $30 in the end.
5-Their discussion boards are heavily modded and anything negative about their products that they don't like they remove it for no reason. In otherwords, they refuse to look at the criticism with a open mind and instead try to cover it.
6-The iLounge 3rd gen shuffle review had a not recommended rating on their site and as a response apple denied them access to the next event. They are giant manipulators when it comes to 3rd party reviews of their products.
7-While I can't say if it is a music industry issue or apple trying to nickle and dime people, but I thought it was ridiculous that they were charging 30 cents to get DRM files for the early adapters like myself (I had well over 700 songs in DRM format). Essentially making people pay $1.30 for each song while if someone new came to iTunes they could get the song for $1 still. (At the beginning iTunes was still a flat $1 charge).
8-Apple has had SEVERAL display problems (the 27" iMac displays) over the years, once again they attempt to fix these issues with "firmware" updates.
It seems since around 2007 apple has just dropped the ball ethically, since they are on top in several markets they seem to have cared about nothing but getting as much money out of consumers as possible.
Sorry but that is how I view it. I think they make some amazing hardware and I own several iPods and I love every single one of them but I think Apple as a company is pretty shoddy.
I consider lack of hardware recalls unethical. They always try to hoard as much money as they can.
A few examples are:
1-2007 iPod Touch inverted black issue that was a HARDWARE related problem with the coating on it. Apple just released a firmware update to cover the problem by changing the gamma settings.
2-iPhone antenna issue, cheap 50 cent bumpers to cover the problem because they think everyone should just be a lab rat for them. Then their attitude that it wasn't a issue until the media exploded all over it. Then they act like children and release all those youtube videos of antenna problems with a bunch of other phones like its acceptable.
3-2007 Classic/Nano, when initially released these were the biggest pieces of crap, it was like no one even bothered to turn them on before they released it and it wasn't until 6 months later that the classic was updated enough to work decent. Some issues were:
a) unable to retain ratings if you played any games
b) extremely slow navigation (esp the classic)
c) reboot loops for some
d) coverflow as useless on the classic (though I never used it anyway)
This was actually the 1st iPod I had to take back because it was so nonfunctional, from this point on it seems quality control has taken a backseat.
iTunes 7 was ridiculous when syncing any of the 2007 devices it would randomly freeze for 2-3 seconds when you tried to transfer files and it would take forever to get them to sync because of this. Took apple 2 months to even fix it.
4-The App pack update they charged iPod touch users $20 for then barely a month later they released a update and charged $10 for it and it already included the $20 app... so essentially the early adapters paid $30 in the end.
5-Their discussion boards are heavily modded and anything negative about their products that they don't like they remove it for no reason. In otherwords, they refuse to look at the criticism with a open mind and instead try to cover it.
6-The iLounge 3rd gen shuffle review had a not recommended rating on their site and as a response apple denied them access to the next event. They are giant manipulators when it comes to 3rd party reviews of their products.
7-While I can't say if it is a music industry issue or apple trying to nickle and dime people, but I thought it was ridiculous that they were charging 30 cents to get DRM files for the early adapters like myself (I had well over 700 songs in DRM format). Essentially making people pay $1.30 for each song while if someone new came to iTunes they could get the song for $1 still. (At the beginning iTunes was still a flat $1 charge).
8-Apple has had SEVERAL display problems (the 27" iMac displays) over the years, once again they attempt to fix these issues with "firmware" updates.
It seems since around 2007 apple has just dropped the ball ethically, since they are on top in several markets they seem to have cared about nothing but getting as much money out of consumers as possible.
Sorry but that is how I view it. I think they make some amazing hardware and I own several iPods and I love every single one of them but I think Apple as a company is pretty shoddy.
JackSYi
Oct 24, 08:15 AM
3-5 days here.
I got 2-4 days to Ship. 2 Day shipping. Hope it ships by 5pm tomorrow.
I got 2-4 days to Ship. 2 Day shipping. Hope it ships by 5pm tomorrow.
wovel
Apr 28, 12:31 PM
No. No. No.
Comparing Android vs. iOS : fine
But why the arbitrary distinction of "phones". It's an OS that can be run on multiple devices. Do you compare Mac laptop share vs. Windows laptop share? (In any meaningful context, that is)?
Actually it is not fine. There are still Android devices sold that will never run 2.0+
What percentage of those Android phones are compatible with each other?
The market share data needs to be looked at in a more nuanced way than "Apple Wins!" or "Android Wins!".
The iPhone's market share *right now* is okay - enviable even - because, when combined with the interests of people who are buying iPhones *right now*, it means that developers have more incentive to make apps for iPhones than for Android...and the better app availability for iPhones makes the platform even better. (And to some extent the Touch and the iPad play a role here)
The *trend* of the iPhone's market share is more concerning, though, and anyone interested in the future of the iPhone should pay attention to these numbers. (I'm sure Apple is). If the iPhone's marketshare drops too far, or stays too low for too long, there is a risk that developers may shift their resources to developing for Android first. Which will further undercut the iPhone's advantages.
But these trends are certainly not fixed in stone...I know a lot of people (non-techies) who recently bought a 3GS...$49 for that phone is a steal. But $49 for the iP4 when the iP5 comes out will be even more of a steal...and, presumably, the old iP4 will be available on both AT&T and Verizon. And as more Verizon users come off of their contracts, there may be some additional iP uptake.
I really see no reason why - with $49 phones available from both Verizon and AT&T, the iPhone market share shouldn't go up to 50% or beyond.
The trend is iPhone Marketshare went up and Android went down...
Comparing Android vs. iOS : fine
But why the arbitrary distinction of "phones". It's an OS that can be run on multiple devices. Do you compare Mac laptop share vs. Windows laptop share? (In any meaningful context, that is)?
Actually it is not fine. There are still Android devices sold that will never run 2.0+
What percentage of those Android phones are compatible with each other?
The market share data needs to be looked at in a more nuanced way than "Apple Wins!" or "Android Wins!".
The iPhone's market share *right now* is okay - enviable even - because, when combined with the interests of people who are buying iPhones *right now*, it means that developers have more incentive to make apps for iPhones than for Android...and the better app availability for iPhones makes the platform even better. (And to some extent the Touch and the iPad play a role here)
The *trend* of the iPhone's market share is more concerning, though, and anyone interested in the future of the iPhone should pay attention to these numbers. (I'm sure Apple is). If the iPhone's marketshare drops too far, or stays too low for too long, there is a risk that developers may shift their resources to developing for Android first. Which will further undercut the iPhone's advantages.
But these trends are certainly not fixed in stone...I know a lot of people (non-techies) who recently bought a 3GS...$49 for that phone is a steal. But $49 for the iP4 when the iP5 comes out will be even more of a steal...and, presumably, the old iP4 will be available on both AT&T and Verizon. And as more Verizon users come off of their contracts, there may be some additional iP uptake.
I really see no reason why - with $49 phones available from both Verizon and AT&T, the iPhone market share shouldn't go up to 50% or beyond.
The trend is iPhone Marketshare went up and Android went down...
inlovewithi
Apr 13, 02:58 PM
I don't mind as long as the pricing is competitive, if its over-priced no way I'll be getting one..
Apple would be smart to just start making regular TVs and charging extra for it. As a (can't think of a word) they are in a really sweet position where if they do start making TVs and charge a couple of hundred dollars extra compared to similar TV, they'll will still be able to sell plenty of them and make an insane profit from people who will buy their products no matter what. As long as it has that Apple logo.
Apple would be smart to just start making regular TVs and charging extra for it. As a (can't think of a word) they are in a really sweet position where if they do start making TVs and charge a couple of hundred dollars extra compared to similar TV, they'll will still be able to sell plenty of them and make an insane profit from people who will buy their products no matter what. As long as it has that Apple logo.
nobunaga209
Jan 29, 08:54 AM
Getting ready for riding season which is right around the corner. ;)
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AaronEdwards
Apr 28, 06:10 PM
Imagine the iPhone 4 sitting in the 3GS position a year from now. It will be amazing you can get a phone like that for the price it will be available for...
The current 3GS with the cheapest plan you can get from AT&T would cost you 90% of what the same plan and a 4 would cost you.
Not sure what's amazing about that, and I'm pretty sure that when the 5 is out, the 4 will end up costing roughly the same.
Hardly amazing.
Unless you're math challenged.
Which anyone would be anyone who would consider such a deal for 3GS now or for a 4 when 5 is out.
Considering the number of 3GS still being sold, there's a lot of math challenged iOS users out there.
The current 3GS with the cheapest plan you can get from AT&T would cost you 90% of what the same plan and a 4 would cost you.
Not sure what's amazing about that, and I'm pretty sure that when the 5 is out, the 4 will end up costing roughly the same.
Hardly amazing.
Unless you're math challenged.
Which anyone would be anyone who would consider such a deal for 3GS now or for a 4 when 5 is out.
Considering the number of 3GS still being sold, there's a lot of math challenged iOS users out there.
network23
Jul 25, 11:16 AM
What you're describing is far less revolutionary, and wouldn't really constitute a none-touch interface. The current displays all have a durable, transparent cover over them, and they still get scratches and finger prints from handling. I think the reason that this interface idea is so exciting is that it offers the possibility of having a full screen for viewing without needing to worry about the act of touching the screen for controls making the screen dirty so you can't watch.
Snowy,
I do think hayesk is on the right track. While the idea of a touchless experience is neat, try it right now. pick up your iPod and make movements over the surface as if it would be touchless. If you don't have an iPod, pick up something else approximately that size. Assume that the "field" where it senses your fingers is going to be less than a centimeter above the surface.
What happened?
If you were like me, you still occasionally brushed or accidentally touched the surface anyway, especially making circular scrollwheel movements. You didn't? I applaud your superior fine motor skills. Now try that same excersise while driving. Or jogging. Bet it was harder.
Heck, even just holding the thing in your hand or pulling it out of your pocket will get fingerprints on it and be touched. Touching the surface will be unavoidable. But what Apple can do with this technology is give it a thicker, more substantial, more scratch-resistant, possibly more smudge resistant surface on which the user can touch and interact with the UI.
Snowy,
I do think hayesk is on the right track. While the idea of a touchless experience is neat, try it right now. pick up your iPod and make movements over the surface as if it would be touchless. If you don't have an iPod, pick up something else approximately that size. Assume that the "field" where it senses your fingers is going to be less than a centimeter above the surface.
What happened?
If you were like me, you still occasionally brushed or accidentally touched the surface anyway, especially making circular scrollwheel movements. You didn't? I applaud your superior fine motor skills. Now try that same excersise while driving. Or jogging. Bet it was harder.
Heck, even just holding the thing in your hand or pulling it out of your pocket will get fingerprints on it and be touched. Touching the surface will be unavoidable. But what Apple can do with this technology is give it a thicker, more substantial, more scratch-resistant, possibly more smudge resistant surface on which the user can touch and interact with the UI.
bedifferent
Apr 15, 10:40 PM
Snow Lion? :rolleyes:
Funny fact: All the OS X names match to German tanks:
German tanks and OSX (http://forums.macrumors.com/archive/index.php/t-372797.html)
Apple Mac OS X Versions Named After German Tanks? (http://robertnyman.com/2009/09/02/apple-mac-os-x-versions-named-after-german-tanks/)
Mac OS X 10.0 Cheetah
Tank: Flugabwehrkanonenpanzer Gepard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flugabwehrkanonenpanzer_Gepard) (Gepard in German means Cheetah in English)
Mac OS X 10.1 Puma
Tank: Sd.Kfz. 234/2 “Puma” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwerer_Panzersp�hwagen#Sd.Kfz._234.2F2_.22Puma.22)
Mac OS X 10.2 Jaguar
Tanks: Jaguar 1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguar_1) and Jaguar 2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguar_2)
Mac OS X 10.3 Panther
Tank: Panther (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panther_tank)
Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger
Tanks: Tiger 1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_I) and Tiger 2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_II)
Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard
Tanks: Leopard 1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopard_1) and Leopard 2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopard_2)
Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard
Haven’t found the corresponding tank yet, but I’m sure it exists…
Funny fact: All the OS X names match to German tanks:
German tanks and OSX (http://forums.macrumors.com/archive/index.php/t-372797.html)
Apple Mac OS X Versions Named After German Tanks? (http://robertnyman.com/2009/09/02/apple-mac-os-x-versions-named-after-german-tanks/)
Mac OS X 10.0 Cheetah
Tank: Flugabwehrkanonenpanzer Gepard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flugabwehrkanonenpanzer_Gepard) (Gepard in German means Cheetah in English)
Mac OS X 10.1 Puma
Tank: Sd.Kfz. 234/2 “Puma” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwerer_Panzersp�hwagen#Sd.Kfz._234.2F2_.22Puma.22)
Mac OS X 10.2 Jaguar
Tanks: Jaguar 1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguar_1) and Jaguar 2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguar_2)
Mac OS X 10.3 Panther
Tank: Panther (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panther_tank)
Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger
Tanks: Tiger 1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_I) and Tiger 2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_II)
Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard
Tanks: Leopard 1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopard_1) and Leopard 2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopard_2)
Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard
Haven’t found the corresponding tank yet, but I’m sure it exists…
hayesk
Jul 25, 10:41 AM
It seems like a major problem with this would be the fact that you get no tactile feedback. However, I have tapping enabled on my iBook and I don't find it odd or uncomfortable at all then I "click" on something. I'm sure it would take some getting used to, but I imagine that it could work.
The 3G iPod did not have physical feedback, and they worked.
But the problem here is everyone is assuming that none-touch means you don't even touch the iPod. Did it occur to anyone that it means you don't have to touch the screen? This allows Apple to put a more durable transparent cover over the entire face of the iPod.
Think about it - a nice smooth seamless iPod face. When you put your finger over the display, the controls appear. Your finger touches the cover, but not the screen underneath. This allows for easy cleaning, and protection of the actual screen.
The 3G iPod did not have physical feedback, and they worked.
But the problem here is everyone is assuming that none-touch means you don't even touch the iPod. Did it occur to anyone that it means you don't have to touch the screen? This allows Apple to put a more durable transparent cover over the entire face of the iPod.
Think about it - a nice smooth seamless iPod face. When you put your finger over the display, the controls appear. Your finger touches the cover, but not the screen underneath. This allows for easy cleaning, and protection of the actual screen.
mscriv
Mar 1, 11:10 AM
Andy Kaufman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Kaufman#Tony_Clifton), as Tony Clifton, did it first, and far better.
Just a little before my time, but I've seen specials on Kaufman that talk about how far he took it and that even his closest friends were confused at times. Some say that for him it was like a master joke he was playing on the entire world.
Most people I know are horrified and of the opinion that he just ruined his career. I have to agree.
Hold the phone Lee, are you telling me there isn't going to be another "Hot Shots" sequal! I'm going to have to go lie down for a while. ;)
Just a little before my time, but I've seen specials on Kaufman that talk about how far he took it and that even his closest friends were confused at times. Some say that for him it was like a master joke he was playing on the entire world.
Most people I know are horrified and of the opinion that he just ruined his career. I have to agree.
Hold the phone Lee, are you telling me there isn't going to be another "Hot Shots" sequal! I'm going to have to go lie down for a while. ;)
kcmac
Apr 22, 05:28 PM
I don't mind the looks of it. I have the iPhone 4 and after getting the iPad 2 feel like the 4 is too boxy. Love the curved sides of the iPad 2.
Wondering where the antenna is on this mock up. Is it the entire back? What is the outline around the side view? A clear covering? Or just artwork?
Wondering where the antenna is on this mock up. Is it the entire back? What is the outline around the side view? A clear covering? Or just artwork?
Yvan256
Jul 28, 08:49 AM
Don't discount microsoft - they have money to lose for years in trying to get #1 for MP3 - slowly they creep up and overturn Apple - apple doesn't ahve the same stamina.
A long term commitment, not a short term thing.
That's what worries me. They don't get #1 by being the best, they get to #1 because they can lose money for years and drive the competition to the ground. Look at the Xbox and Xbox 360 as a perfect example. They're still in the red, no a single cent of profit from the two consoles.
A long term commitment, not a short term thing.
That's what worries me. They don't get #1 by being the best, they get to #1 because they can lose money for years and drive the competition to the ground. Look at the Xbox and Xbox 360 as a perfect example. They're still in the red, no a single cent of profit from the two consoles.
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